Rhino-Rack Sportz Roof Rack for Naked Roofs - Aluminum - Black - Qty 2

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• Recommended Roof Rack Compatible With Thule Hullavator Pro Kayak Carrier on 2018 Honda HR-V
  For your 2018 Honda HR-V to be compatible with the Thule Hullavator Pro Kayak Carrier and Lift Assist with Tie-Downs # TH898, you have to use slightly longer crossbars. The Hullavator requires 4-8 inches overhang to give clearance. In order to give you the clearance without giving you too much bar length, I recommend the following system: Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars - 49" Long - Qty 2 # RRVA126B-2 Rhino-Rack 2500 Series Legs # RRRLKVA Custom DK Fit Kit # DK454 Metal lock cores...
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• How to Transport a 90 lb Canoe on the Roof of a 2017 Dodge Durango
  I do have a solution for you but unfortunately there are no adapter kits available to carry your 38" wide canoe. You need to use a different roof rack system or use a canoe carrier. For a roof rack system I recommend the Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Roof Rack which includes 54" crossbars # RRVA137B-2, the 2500 Series Legs # RRRLKVA, and the DK Fit Kit # DK299. This gives you longer crossbars that have a max weight capacity of 165 lbs. To carry your canoe just on the crossbars will also require...
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• Recommended Rhino-Rack Roof Rack For A 2016 Ram 3500 And How Does Roof Rack Capacity Work
  Hey Bob, Roof rack systems are typically only rated up to 165lbs because that's typically above the capacity of the vehicle's roof. More recently all manufacturers are switching to removing the capacity from the listing and telling consumers to check the weight capacity of the roof because people have been overloading their roofs and causing damage. The # RR38ZE is missing a crossbar but includes the correct amount of feet and and fit kit components so you'll need to order the following...
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• Does Thule Motion XT Rooftop Cargo Box Fit Rhino Rack Roof Rack
  The Rhino Rack Vortex Crossbars # RRVA137B-2 you referenced measure 3-1/8" wide x 1-3/16" tall. The Thule Motion XT Rooftop Cargo Box # TH629806 will fit crossbars that are up to 3-1/2" wide and 1-11/16" tall so they will work on these bars! If you let me know the year, make and model of your vehicle I can confirm for you which Rhino Rack roof rack will fit and the parts you will need.
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• 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude Roof Rack Recommendation
  I have a great roof rack solution that fits your 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has black flush rails on the roof but Rola does not offer anything that fits your roof configuration. Instead you'd want the Rhino Rack part numbers # RRVA137B-2, # RRRLKVA, and # DK234 which is a confirmed fit and gives you a set of aero shaped crossbars that will minimize wind noise and are very easy to install.
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• How Can I Tell if I have Fixed Mounting Points on My 2015 Mazda CX-5 for a Crossbar System?
  According to the specs I have, you may have fixed mounting points on those rubber strips on your 2015 Mazda CX-5. The way you can tell is if there is a small removable tab on those rails that cover the holes. I went ahead and attached a video of a 2015 Mazda CX-5 with fixed mounting points to give you perspective about what to look for. If you determine that you have fixed mounting points, I recommend the following setup: - Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars - Aluminum - Black - 46" #...
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• Roof Rack For 2020 Chevy Equinox With Naked Roof
  We do have a roof rack system that will fit your 2020 Chevy Equinox beautifully, even without it having any rails or other mounting spots. Your Equinox has what is referred to as a naked roof, and there is one option I really like for your Equinox, which is from Rhino-Rack. The parts that make up the rack and fit your car are the following: - Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars # RRVA126B-2 - Rhino-Rack 2500 Series Legs # RRRLKVA - Custom DK Fit Kit # DK488 The reason I like the Rhino-Rack...
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• Recommended Roof Rack For 2015 Honda CR-V With Naked Roof
  We do have a roof rack that will work for your 2015 Honda CR-V. What we have found is that you cannot have factory side rails added to a vehicle after it has been delivered but we have a solution for you. I recommend the Rhino-Rack Vortex Roof Rack. This features anodized aluminum aerodynamic crossbars with a rubberized Vortex strip in the crossbar top channel to disrupt airflow for a quiet ride. Along with the crossbars the system uses the Series 2500 Legs that include locks to secure...
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• Parts Needed to Add Rhino-Rack Roof Rack to 2026 Ford F-250
  Hey Jeffrey! Do you have the 2026 Ford F-250 Crew Cab? Are these Vortex bars? The crew cab is the only version that allows a Rhino-Rack to fit. You can use the Custom DK Fit Kit # DK498 along with the Rhino-Rack 2500 Series Legs # RRRLKVA which is designed for Sportz or Vortex crossbars. I'm not sure what length your current crossbars are but the Rhino-Rack Sportz Roof Rack # RR64KG and the old Vortex rack for the F-250 both use 59" bars. If you have the Regular Cab or SuperCab you will...
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• How To Carry Two Kayaks On a Ford F-150 with 5.5' Bed
  In order to haul two kayaks you'll need to use either a roof rack or a ladder rack. The hitch extender options are really only good for one kayak. If the tonneau cover mounts inside the bed and the stake pockets are not covered you can use the Adarac Aluminum Series Custom Truck Bed Ladder Rack part # A4001234 which has integrate channels that will allow you to use a carrier like the Rhino-Rack Nautic Stack Kayak Carrier part # RRS520. In order to provide a roof rack option I will need...
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• What are the Differences Between Roof Bag on Naked Roof and Roof Rack Mounted Bag?
  Apart from how the rooftop bags mount there is little difference between the cargo bags that go on the naked roof of your 2013 Kia Soul or one that attaches to a roof rack. To avoid having to put a pricey roof rack on your Soul, I strongly recommend going with a bag that mounts to your naked roof such as the Rightline Gear Sport 2 Rooftop Cargo Bag # RL100S20. This bag is waterproof, has 15 cubic feet of storage and is 44" long x 36" wide x 19" tall. You can mount the Rightline by running...
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• Recommended Roof Rack and Cargo Carrier for 2013 Toyota Corolla
  For your 2013 Toyota Corolla, I recommend the Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars # RRVA118B-2, the 2500 Series Legs # RRRLKVA, and the Custom DK Fit Kit # DK152. This is a confirmed fit for your vehicle. I also recommend the metal lock cores # RRVA-LEC4 for when you use the T-channel mounting for accessories that have that mount that fits in the slot on top of your crossbars instead of wrapping around them. Then for your rooftop cargo carrier, I recommend the Thule Force XT Rooftop Cargo...
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• How to Use Rhino-Rack T-Load System to Transport Kayak on 2016 Chevy Silverado 1500
  The Rhino-Rack T-Load Hitch Mounted Load Assist and Support Bar # RTL002 that you referenced is designed to be used with an existing roof rack crossbar system or bare roof carrier, which aren't included with the kit. If you want to go with a more permanent setup to use with the T-Load the best route is with a crossbar system. If your Silverado has the Crew Cab I recommend the Rhino-Rack Vortex Crossbar System that consists of # RRVA150S-2 for the two 59" Vortex Crossbars in Silver or...
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• Can Replacement Roof Rack be Added to 2018 Infiniti QX60 That Already Has Factory Roof Rack
  There are no aftermarket crossbars that will work on your 2018 Infiniti QX60 that already has a roof rack. The only way to add a roof rack is to have your entire factory roof rack assembly removed - the crossbars and rails - and convert your QX60's roof ro a naked roof. Only if you did that would you be able to utilize a roof rack, and there is one with 54 inch crossbars that would fit a 2018 Infiniti QX60 with a naked roof; the Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars # RRVA137B-2. To complete...
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• Replacement Crossbar, Towers, and Feet for a 2022 Honda CR-V Using Rhino Rack 2500 Series
  Jeff, first of all, I'm relieved to hear you weren't injured in this accident. As far as replacements go, we do have a replacement crossbar with the Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbar # RRVA137B but the towers and fit kit are only sold as a complete set with # RRRLKVA & # DK284. Hopefully no more turkey accidents in the future, but if it happens again we have you covered! Feel free to drop a comment and let me know if there is anything else I can do to help!
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• Best Way to Transport 4 Kayaks on 2015 Chevy Traverse
  Without knowing the length of the crossbars and the weight of the kayaks, I would have some doubts that you're going to be able to carry 4 kayaks on the roof of a 2015 Chevy Traverse-but if you were going to do it the Thule Stacker # TH830 would be the way to go since they don't take up a ton of space. You're going to need roughly 50" (the Stacker takes up about 3" of bar space) of crossbar space to successfully do this. I would also recommend checking your owner's manual to find out the...
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• Rhino-Rack Aero Bar Roof Rack for a 2014 Honda CR-V with Naked Roof
  Yes, Rhino-Rack roof rack # RRVA137B-2 will fit your 2014 Honda CR-V as long as it has a naked roof (no rails that run front to back or crossbars that run side to side). You will also need fit kit # DK284, and legs # RRRLKVA to install the roof rack. The bars are indeed 54 inches long overall.
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• What Roof Rack and Kayak Carrier Package is Recommended for a 2019 CRV?
  I recommend the Rhino rack package including the Vortex Aero Crossbars # RRVA137B-2, Rhino-Rack Legs for Vortex Aero Crossbars # RRRLKVA, and the Custom DK Fit Kit for 4 Rhino-Rack Roof Rack Legs # DK284. The Rhino-Rack is sturdy, has an attractive design to compliment your CRV, and the aero bar design reduces wind noise and is also a great value. If you want a premium rack option for a newer vehicle like your 2019 Model CRV, the Thule package Thule WingBar Evo Crossbars # TH711400, Evo...
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• Best Roof Rack For Thule Hullavator On 2024 Acura RDX
  Hello Geoffrey, thanks for reaching out. You are on the right track here. On your 2024 Acura RDX a 60" bar would be cutting it close. We can do a roof rack with a longer bar; we would just have to part it out separately instead of doing a full kit which is not a problem at all. Does your RDX have the factory roof rails running from front to back? Or is it a naked roof? Let me know and I am happy to send you parts list with everything you need. For an example, if you have a naked roof,...
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• Roof Rack System For A 2010 Honda Civic Sedan
  To be able to find the proper mounting kit for your rails that you currently have I would need to know what brand of rails that they're. I would also need to know the usable bar length and what type of rack it is. If you have no idea what the brand of rails you currently have we can set you up with a new roof rack system! The Rhino Rack Vortex Aero Bars come with the parts below to give you the full roof rack for your 2010 Honda Civic. The Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars # RRVA126B-2 The...
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• Roof Rack for a 2016/2017 Ford Edge Sport with Panoramic Glass Roof
  I would be happy to make some recommendations for you but I need to know the year of your Ford Edge Sport to select the proper products. Just let me know.
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• Correct Selection of Roof Rack Systems for a 2019 Mitsubishi Outlander Without Roof Rails
  That is correct. In our roof rack fit guide for your 2019 Mitsubishi Outlander you will choose the category "with no existing rails or crossbars" which I've linked for you to filter through. I recommend checking out one of the Rhino-Rack aero-style roof rack system. We have the ROC25 which has more of an OEM look as well as the Vortex crossbar system which has the overhang past each leg. Below is a list of the parts you'll need for either setup: ROC25 Kit - # RR65GR Vortex Aero 54" Crossbars...
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• 2013 Chevy Equinox Rhino-Rack 2500 Square Roof Rack Parts
  Yes, those are the correct parts for your 2013 Chevy Equinox with a bare roof. 46" Vortex Crossbars - # RRVA118B-2 2500 Series Legs - # RRRLKVA Fit Kit - # DK226 Attached is an installation video of this system on a 2013 Equinox for you to check out. If you let me know what you plan on using the roof rack for I'd be more than happy to make additional recommendations!
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• Cost Effective Roof Rack Recommendation for 2011 Honda Accord
  What we've found with the Sportrack Semi-Custom roof racks like the part # SR1002 is that they don't always fit the best. Reason being they are designed to fit as many vehicles as possible which means they don't fit everything perfectly. The price makes these hard to not be tempted by, but your best option is a fully custom fit roof rack like the Inno part # INB127, # INSUT, and # INK745 otherwise you'll have to get somewhat creative to get the Sportrack to fit right.
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• 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude Roof Rack Recommendation
  I have a great roof rack solution that fits your 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has black flush rails on the roof but Rola does not offer anything that fits your roof configuration. Instead you'd want the Rhino Rack part numbers # RRVA137B-2, # RRRLKVA, and # DK234 which is a confirmed fit and gives you a set of aero shaped crossbars that will minimize wind noise and are very easy to install.
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• Roof Rack Recommendation for 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude with Metal Flush Roof Rails
  For your 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has the E Group style roof flush rails we have the Rhino Rack Aero Bar roof rack part numbers # RRVA126B-2, # RRRCH4, and # RRRCP27-BK that will work well.
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• Will The Inno Fishing Rod Carrier Work With Garment Hooks Instead Of Handles
  The Inno Fishing Rod Carrier # IN56FR clamps onto the handles (pictured below) to mount, so without the handles there would be no way to mount this in your 2021 Jeep grand Cherokee. Instead I recommend going with a rooftop mounted option like the Rhino-Rack Fishing Rod Carrier # RR573F. This will require crossbars to mount it to so if you do not have a roof rack already then I have the following recommendations: Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars - Aluminum - Black - 54" Long - Qty 2 #...
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• Recommended Low Profile Roof Rack for 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee
  For a low profile roof rack for your 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee the best fit will be determined by the rails or lack of rails on your vehicle. If you have the naked roof with no side rails, the Yakima JetStream Crossbars - 60" Long # Y00426, BaseLine Towers # Y28TR and BaseClip Fit Kit # Y06121 will be the best option. If you have black and chrome flush mounted side rails I recommend the Thule WingBar Edge system which includes the Crossbars # TH89FE, Fixpoint Feet # TH29SC, and Fit Kit...
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• Roof Rack Recommendation for 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with Black Plastic Roof Rails
  We have roof racks that fit the roof style you have on your 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Thank you for the picture as that helps quite a bit. From that I can tell you have the flush roof rails WITHOUT the E-Group package. So for a roof rack that fits that style as-is without requiring you to buy an expensive rack from Jeep the Rhino Rack roof rack part numbers # RRVA137B-2, # RRRLKVA, and # DK234 would fit and work well.
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• Recommended Roof Rack and Carrier for Transporting 2 Hobie Mirage Eclipse Pedalboards
  I looked up your Hobie Mirage Eclipse Pedalboards and found they are 54 lbs each fully rigged. The Thule SUP Taxi XT Stand-Up Paddleboard Carrier - Roof Mount - 2 Boards # TH810001 is my recommendation for the carrier to utilize with your roof rack as it has a wider base, but the Thule Compass # TH890000 is also a great option. For your roof rack on the 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee, I recommend the Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars - Aluminum - Black - 54" Long - Qty 2 # RRVA137B-2, Rhino-Rack...
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• Roof Rack Recommendation for 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo with Black Flush Rails
  Yes, we have the Rhino Rack Vortex roof rack part numbers # RRVA137B-2, # RRRLKVA, and # DK234 as a confirmed fit for your 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee with flush black rails. I really like the Rhino Rack roof racks as they give you the higher quality and ease of install and use of the more expensive racks but at a better price.
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• Roof Rack Recommendation for 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude with Flush Mount Rails
  I recommend going with a roof rack that uses the aero-style bars as they have less wind noise and drag compared to the traditional square or round bars. The exact roof rack parts will vary for your 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude depending on if you have the chrome track on your flush mount bars (also known as the E-Group package). If you do have the chrome piece (see attached photo) then I recommend the Rhino-Rack Vortex roof rack which uses Vortex Aero Bars # RRVA126B-2 along...
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• Roof Rack for 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude With Side Rails
  Thanks for the photo, it was really helpful. Your 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude has what are considered side rails, though you do not have the E Group package; if you did the rails would have a metal strip on top. The roof rack I strongly recommend for your '`5 Grand Cherokee Altitude is the Rhino-Rack Roof Rack because it gives your Jeep a rack that is highly functional with a refined look. The Rhino-Rack Roof Rack is made up of Crossbars # RRVA137B-2, Rhino-Rack 2500 Series Legs...
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• Determining if 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Has E-Group Package for Picking Out Roof Rack
  When looking at the roof side rails on your 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee you can determine if it has the E-Group package by inspecting them to see if there is a chrome section that runs down the middle of the rail. This chrome section indicates that the vehicle has the E-Group package while a completely black rail without a chrome section means that it's a non-E-Group model. I have included an image that shows an E-Group roof rail with the chrome strip that you can check out as well. If...
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• Roof Rack And 2-Kayak Carrier Setup For 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee With Factory Flush Rails
  Since your 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee currently has the factory flush rails, you will need to first add a crossbar setup that will allow a kayak carrier to mount to. Depending on which factory rail system you have will determine the crossbar setup that you need. If your Jeep has the black and chrome track rails running front to back then go with Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars Black - 49" Long # RRVA126B-2 along with Leg Kit # RRRCL4 and Fit Kit # RRRCP27-BK. This setup has a 150lb weight...
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• Will The Mopar / Thule Force XT XL Roof Cargo Box Fit Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars?
  The Thule Force XT XL Rooftop Cargo Box - 18 cu ft - Black AeroSkin # TH6358B is the current version of the Mopar part number TCBOX625 that you are referring to. This box, along with most other Thule boxes, fits crossbars that are up to 3-1/2" wide and up to 1-11/16" tall and fits crossbar spread of 23-5/8" - 35-1/2". Crossbar spread is the distance from the center of the front crossbar to the center of the rear crossbar. The Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero Crossbars Black - 54" # RRVA137B-2 that...
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• Easiest Way To Load Up A Kayak On The Roof Of A 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee
  The Rhino Rack T-Load # RTL002 will help you load your kayak if you have a saddle type kayak carrier like this # MPG110MD because you will have the kayak sitting upright on the T-Load Bar and then it'll fall nicely into the Saddle. If you want the ultimate ease of use kayak carrier you should get the Thule Hullavator # TH898 because it will lower to the side of your 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee where you can tie it down and then easily lift the kayak up and onto your roof. You'll need a roof...
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• What Roof Rack do You Recommend for My 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee with Black Flush Rails?
  I really appreciate your picture, and I have a solution for you. I double checked with Thule and they unfortunately do not make a crossbar system that is designed for channel-less solid black rails on a 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee (with or without the High Latitude submodel). With that being said, sadly the Fit Kit for Thule Podium-Style Roof Rack Feet - 3142 # THKIT3142 are only confirmed to fit 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokees with the black and chrome flush rails. Also, there are no other fit...
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• Roof Rack for 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee with All Black Flush Mounted Side Rails
  I do have a solution for you, however the Rola Sport GTX Series Roof Rack referenced in your question will not fit the all black flush mount rails on your 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee. This is because this particular system and many others for your Jeep are only designed to mount to the channel that is present along the chrome section of the side rails that are on the Grand Cherokee that is equipped with the "E Group" package. I have attached an image to clarify this. Since your rails are...
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• Roof Rack and Kayak Carrier Recommendation for 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo Altitude
  Thanks for the picture of your 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo Altitude's roof! Based on that I can tell what racks will fit since it has solid black flush rails. The Rhino Rack roof rack that you mentioned part numbers # RRVA137B-2, # RRRLKVA, and # DK234 that you referenced will fit and work really well to carry a kayak carrier like the Yakima JayLow part # Y04073 which can carry a single kayak as a j-style carrier or in the upright position can carry two. I attached review videos for...
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• Correct Roof Rack for 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee
  You're confused because it's confusing. Partially because we've made it that way but we're trying to make it easier. The current generation of Jeep Grand Cherokees has a few different roof options available; a naked roof with nothing on it, an all black strip that runs front to back on the roof, or a black and chrome strip with a track in it that runs front to back. The last of these three is what is included with the E-Group package from Jeep although it's not very commonly known. ...
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• Roof Rack and Kayak Carrier Recommendation for 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee
  For your 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee with flush rails on the roof you will need to know if yours have a chrome center section or are all black as there is two different variations. If you have the chrome rails (E-group style) Then I would recommend the Rhino Rack roof rack part numbers # RRVA126B-2, # RRRCL4, and # RRRCP27-BK. I really like the Rhino Rack roof racks as you get a high quality rack at a much better price than the other high end racks. If instead your rails are totally black...
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• Roof Rack Options for 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee with All Black Roof Rails
  There are only two kinds of roof racks available for your 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee without the e-group rails. We have the style you said you don't care for which uses clamps to attach to the doors like the Rhino Rack # RRVA137B-2, # RRRLKVA, and # DK234 and we have the SeaSucker style which uses vacuum cups to attach to the roof like the part # 298-SX6000B. See picture. I REALLY wish we had a rack that attached to the rails you have like you mentioned but at this time we do not.
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• Roof Rack Options For 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo
  I do not know for certain if any of the roof racks for your 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee will allow the hatch to be opened when a kayak is installed. That said, I will give some recommendations for roof racks with the most clearance between the roof and crossbars. If your roof has matte black flush rails OR naked roof without rails, then go with Rhino-Rack Vortex Aero 54" Crossbars # RRVA137B-2 with Legs # RRRLKVA and Fit Kit # DK234. If your roof has matte black and gloss black flush rails...
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• Roof Rack Recommendation for 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude with Black Flush Rails
  For your 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Altitude that has the solid black flush rails you mentioned I would recommend the Rhino Rack Vortex roof rack part numbers # RRVA137B-2, # RRRLKVA, and # DK234. What I really like about the Rhino Rack roof racks is that you get the quality of the higher priced roof racks but at a better price. This is a custom fit rack that will fit your Grand Cherokee well and has the aero shaped bars that are known to be quieter.
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• Recommended Roof Rack for 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee with Black Flush Mounted Rails
  First I just want to thank you for the detailed photos, as it makes it much easier to verify the right roof rack setup on your 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has a few different factory trim options. Your Jeep is equipped with black flush mounted rails, and while there's not really anything available that actually utilizes those rails for installation (they're a bit too small and located too far in from the roof edge), we absolutely do have a number of options that are confirmed to fit your...
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• Roof Rack for 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee with Black Plastic Flush Rails
  All of the roof racks we carry that fit your 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee with either the small black plastic rails or no rails at all use clamps around the doors. For your Jeep I recommend the Rhino Rack kit with 54 inch aero crossbars. The crossbars come in either black, part # RRVA137B-2, or silver, part # RRVA137S-2. They're aluminum bars that last a long time and are quiet because of the aerodynamic design. They work with most roof accessories that either clamp around them or fit into...
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• Roof Rack Options For A 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee
  If you have rails on your roof and are looking for the simplest set up, I recommend using this set up # RRRVP27. It's a one piece system so all you need to do is mount them to the rails on your 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. This has the most OEM look in my opinion. If you do not have rails on your jeep then you will need to get a couple of parts. You'll need a custom fit kit # DK234, mounting feet # RRRLKVA and crossbars # RRVA137B-2. Both of these roof racks are good systems and are my most...
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